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	<title>Comments on: Dearborn Considers Removing Library Fountain</title>
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		<title>By: Typical Liberal Comment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Typical Liberal Comment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical Liberal answer....let the &quot;rich guy&quot; pay for it...When will people realize that personal accountibility starts with themselves. Why make someone who has already given so much to this city be burdened further. The costs all get spread around and in the end it affects the price of a vehicle you and I may buy in the future. Ford Motor Company is not some philothropic billionaire, it is a business and evidently your Liberal mind cannot comprehend that business is good, not bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical Liberal answer&#8230;.let the &#8220;rich guy&#8221; pay for it&#8230;When will people realize that personal accountibility starts with themselves. Why make someone who has already given so much to this city be burdened further. The costs all get spread around and in the end it affects the price of a vehicle you and I may buy in the future. Ford Motor Company is not some philothropic billionaire, it is a business and evidently your Liberal mind cannot comprehend that business is good, not bad.</p>
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		<title>By: HOMEGROWN</title>
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		<dc:creator>HOMEGROWN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Wovenwoman, Sloppyjo95 and Unacceptable Indeed:

     PUBLIC SAFETY IS THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM? Your information is incorrect about police pay raises, and needs to be corrected. Dearborn PD rank and file received a 10% pay raise over 6 years, which ends in June 2012. It was negotiated before the downturn in the economy. The &quot;raises&quot; were: 07-01-2006 2%, 07-01-2007 2%, 07-01-2008 zero increase, 07-01-2009 2%, 07-01-2010 1%, and 07-01-2011 3 %. This brings the top pay for a police officer to $67,030 per year after July 2011.  Current negotiations show that they will be giving back some monies from previous raises and are expected to pay 20% of their healthcare, along with potentially other givebacks.  And yes, police/fire make up a significant amount of the budget, and both police and fire have minimum staffing levels granted under City Charter.  Police should be staffed (per charter) at 2.1 officers per 100,000 population, and should be currently staffed at 205 officers.  They have not been anywhere near staffed at that amount for at least 8-10 years, they currently are just over 180 officers.  they will have even less officers with retirements and the City slow to hire due to the economy, even though the Charter mandates the staffing.  The fire department is mandated at 121 firefighters, which they always seem to nearly maintain.
   Police and fire should always be maintained at high levels above all other City employees, look at what is happening to other communities like Pontiac, Detroit, Allen Park, Troy, etc.  Inkster and Taylor Police Departments are severely depleated as are many others. Do you really want to lay off officers here when they are already under-staffed?  We are surrounded on two sides by Detroit, and much of our crime is committed by those outside the City. DEARBORN RESIDENTS ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE AS MANY OFFICERS AS THEY CURRENTLY HAVE, LET ALONE QUALITY OFFICERS.
   As far as having City police/fire and employees living in the City;  it has been over twenty years since the courts ruled this as unconstitutional, employees can live outside the cities they work for as long as they can respond when called, and that is left up to contract language in agreements with the City. I live in the City and am a retired officer. I believe that officers should be encouraged to live within the City, but it is no longer practical to do so for a myriad of reasons. I understand why many officers don&#039;t live in the City where they work.  It is not just Dearborn, it is everywhere in the country. The job is hard enough let alone having to also live next door to all of the whining, sniveling malcontents that won&#039;t bat an eye when spitting in your face.  Is it fair to ask a Ford employee at World Headquarters to live in Dearborn and not elsewhere? Where do you work, do you have to live in the City where you work?  

PS: The Police Chief currently lives in Dearborn, although it took awhile for him to do so.
    
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Wovenwoman, Sloppyjo95 and Unacceptable Indeed:</p>
<p>     PUBLIC SAFETY IS THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM? Your information is incorrect about police pay raises, and needs to be corrected. Dearborn PD rank and file received a 10% pay raise over 6 years, which ends in June 2012. It was negotiated before the downturn in the economy. The &#8220;raises&#8221; were: 07-01-2006 2%, 07-01-2007 2%, 07-01-2008 zero increase, 07-01-2009 2%, 07-01-2010 1%, and 07-01-2011 3 %. This brings the top pay for a police officer to $67,030 per year after July 2011.  Current negotiations show that they will be giving back some monies from previous raises and are expected to pay 20% of their healthcare, along with potentially other givebacks.  And yes, police/fire make up a significant amount of the budget, and both police and fire have minimum staffing levels granted under City Charter.  Police should be staffed (per charter) at 2.1 officers per 100,000 population, and should be currently staffed at 205 officers.  They have not been anywhere near staffed at that amount for at least 8-10 years, they currently are just over 180 officers.  they will have even less officers with retirements and the City slow to hire due to the economy, even though the Charter mandates the staffing.  The fire department is mandated at 121 firefighters, which they always seem to nearly maintain.<br />
   Police and fire should always be maintained at high levels above all other City employees, look at what is happening to other communities like Pontiac, Detroit, Allen Park, Troy, etc.  Inkster and Taylor Police Departments are severely depleated as are many others. Do you really want to lay off officers here when they are already under-staffed?  We are surrounded on two sides by Detroit, and much of our crime is committed by those outside the City. DEARBORN RESIDENTS ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE AS MANY OFFICERS AS THEY CURRENTLY HAVE, LET ALONE QUALITY OFFICERS.<br />
   As far as having City police/fire and employees living in the City;  it has been over twenty years since the courts ruled this as unconstitutional, employees can live outside the cities they work for as long as they can respond when called, and that is left up to contract language in agreements with the City. I live in the City and am a retired officer. I believe that officers should be encouraged to live within the City, but it is no longer practical to do so for a myriad of reasons. I understand why many officers don&#8217;t live in the City where they work.  It is not just Dearborn, it is everywhere in the country. The job is hard enough let alone having to also live next door to all of the whining, sniveling malcontents that won&#8217;t bat an eye when spitting in your face.  Is it fair to ask a Ford employee at World Headquarters to live in Dearborn and not elsewhere? Where do you work, do you have to live in the City where you work?  </p>
<p>PS: The Police Chief currently lives in Dearborn, although it took awhile for him to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Unacceptable Indeed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unacceptable Indeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 03:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my God!  When did the cops and firemen get twelve percent raises?!?!?!  Why wasn&#039;t this published?!?!</description>
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		<title>By: Wovenwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wovenwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 21:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Thanks bunches for pissing off FoMoCo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Thanks bunches for pissing off FoMoCo.</p>
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		<title>By: Wovenwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wovenwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone who is employed by the city should be a resident.  Any firm offering consultation should be in the city and its owners reside in the city.  All the people working on the roads should be city employees, thus residents, all persons doing &quot;home rehabilitation&quot; should be required to be residents,in fact anyone hired to work by the city should be residents, right down to the tree trimmers.  That might fix things up quick if people had a vested interest in the changes they are considering (and making)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone who is employed by the city should be a resident.  Any firm offering consultation should be in the city and its owners reside in the city.  All the people working on the roads should be city employees, thus residents, all persons doing &#8220;home rehabilitation&#8221; should be required to be residents,in fact anyone hired to work by the city should be residents, right down to the tree trimmers.  That might fix things up quick if people had a vested interest in the changes they are considering (and making)</p>
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		<title>By: sloppyjo95</title>
		<link>http://www.deepsaidwhat.com/2012/05/17/dearborn-considers-removing-library-fountain/comment-page-1/#comment-22290</link>
		<dc:creator>sloppyjo95</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey ConcernedCitizen...it is the police and fire that is at the root of the money problem,the public safety budget is over 70% of the total city budget ... poor police &amp; fire with their 12% pay increase...the general city employees have been paying for these two groups for the last 9 years ! look at the new budget the mayor just published , near pg 20 it shows this exact information w/ their own figures... and yet all our services that this city was once known for has gone to to low bid outside contracts... the current city leaders are the people that are creating a new DETROIT! I will say it again why are the appointed leaders of my city allowed to make million dollar decisions that affect me but not them ??? BECAUSE THEY ARE NON RESIDENTS, THEY DONT PAY TAXES ,THEY DONT LIVE HERE &amp; THEY HAVE NO VESTED INTEREST HERE!!          PS,, DID THE POLICE CHIEF EVER MOVE INTO DEARBORN ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey ConcernedCitizen&#8230;it is the police and fire that is at the root of the money problem,the public safety budget is over 70% of the total city budget &#8230; poor police &amp; fire with their 12% pay increase&#8230;the general city employees have been paying for these two groups for the last 9 years ! look at the new budget the mayor just published , near pg 20 it shows this exact information w/ their own figures&#8230; and yet all our services that this city was once known for has gone to to low bid outside contracts&#8230; the current city leaders are the people that are creating a new DETROIT! I will say it again why are the appointed leaders of my city allowed to make million dollar decisions that affect me but not them ??? BECAUSE THEY ARE NON RESIDENTS, THEY DONT PAY TAXES ,THEY DONT LIVE HERE &amp; THEY HAVE NO VESTED INTEREST HERE!!          PS,, DID THE POLICE CHIEF EVER MOVE INTO DEARBORN ?</p>
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		<title>By: Disgusted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disgusted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if this is how they are spending money do you really think the millage would be spent on the pools if it passes?  We passed a library millage and Snow still closed and they still supposedly don&#039;t have enough money for the libraries.  They are probably laughing at us all for even suggesting a recreation millage.  Now they go out and blow millions on a new city hall?  Why do we need to fund our own pools and libraries when they are blowing money like it&#039;s going out of style?  I also see a lot of   construction barrels all over the side streets and new water lines and cement.  Where is the money coming from for that?  I don&#039;t understand if they are crying poor why they keep spending money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if this is how they are spending money do you really think the millage would be spent on the pools if it passes?  We passed a library millage and Snow still closed and they still supposedly don&#8217;t have enough money for the libraries.  They are probably laughing at us all for even suggesting a recreation millage.  Now they go out and blow millions on a new city hall?  Why do we need to fund our own pools and libraries when they are blowing money like it&#8217;s going out of style?  I also see a lot of   construction barrels all over the side streets and new water lines and cement.  Where is the money coming from for that?  I don&#8217;t understand if they are crying poor why they keep spending money.</p>
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		<title>By: Packing my bags</title>
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		<dc:creator>Packing my bags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 01:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop Stop this is crazy what is happening here? </description>
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		<title>By: joe maggaratz</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe maggaratz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 00:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are exactly right joe, mccheese duped the people for the tax raise not for just cause, he and his incompetent financial puppet can&#039;t govern the people&#039;s money properly so take the easy way out by getting the millage raised and still pay the bills. we really pay later for their inept governing of our city.mccheese should go to allen park he&#039;d be a star there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are exactly right joe, mccheese duped the people for the tax raise not for just cause, he and his incompetent financial puppet can&#8217;t govern the people&#8217;s money properly so take the easy way out by getting the millage raised and still pay the bills. we really pay later for their inept governing of our city.mccheese should go to allen park he&#8217;d be a star there.</p>
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		<title>By: sloppyjo95</title>
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		<dc:creator>sloppyjo95</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This man is out of control ! He is using his title as mayor to mislead this once great city to the  point of extinction . As a city and community is it vital that money and resources are reinvested to the infrastructure, this is basic 101 city maintenance planning.I would agree with Tafelski... this is not the time or place for this type of project.This mayor just asked the residents to pass two millage proposals to help fund operational cost, but now he takes our tax dollars to spend on pie in the sky personal dreams... maybe a recall notice would bring back to   O REALITY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This man is out of control ! He is using his title as mayor to mislead this once great city to the  point of extinction . As a city and community is it vital that money and resources are reinvested to the infrastructure, this is basic 101 city maintenance planning.I would agree with Tafelski&#8230; this is not the time or place for this type of project.This mayor just asked the residents to pass two millage proposals to help fund operational cost, but now he takes our tax dollars to spend on pie in the sky personal dreams&#8230; maybe a recall notice would bring back to   O REALITY</p>
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