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	<title>Comments on: Despite Budget Woes, Dearborn Buys new City Hall</title>
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		<title>By: onenationunderGod</title>
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		<dc:creator>onenationunderGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Chris.   getting out is a another option.  
I was wondering if the city hall could be considered an Historical building?  
Could it be made &quot;historical&quot;?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Chris.   getting out is a another option.<br />
I was wondering if the city hall could be considered an Historical building?<br />
Could it be made &#8220;historical&#8221;?  </p>
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		<title>By: Chris Gaines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Gaines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the only recourse we have is to get out and vote? or maybe just to get out? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only recourse we have is to get out and vote? or maybe just to get out? </p>
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		<title>By: Donna Hay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Hay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting this Howard.</description>
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		<title>By: Milwood Fordson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milwood Fordson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask if the Detective offices have gotten a make over from Ford yet?  I think they noticed the Dodge, all the police markings have been removed also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask if the Detective offices have gotten a make over from Ford yet?  I think they noticed the Dodge, all the police markings have been removed also.</p>
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		<title>By: onenationunderGod</title>
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		<dc:creator>onenationunderGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Reality,  they could use the millions that they are spending for this building to do repairs on the City Hall.  And if the employees have been downsized, then they dont need any extra room.  In times of financial hardship a good business person knows to hold on to the money, and try to get along with what we have.  And once again the city is allowing ruination of our historical, unique building sites.  And who are these people who are going to live in that building.  Are they hippies, I dont get the concept here.  
I am sorry,but  our counsel and mayor are a major losers, who kiss but to certain groups and political correctness.  It seems they do not treat all citizens equally, especially Christians.  We have so much crime in this city.  Soon it will scare visitors away from even going to our Greenfield village.  Doing nothing as far as city hall, and waiting, and actually putting a little thought into the process.  Here we have libararies closing, second had stores opening, closing pools, dumpy buildings, yet the most important thing is to buy a building.  And even that building will need renovations.   the only recourse we have is to get out and vote!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Reality,  they could use the millions that they are spending for this building to do repairs on the City Hall.  And if the employees have been downsized, then they dont need any extra room.  In times of financial hardship a good business person knows to hold on to the money, and try to get along with what we have.  And once again the city is allowing ruination of our historical, unique building sites.  And who are these people who are going to live in that building.  Are they hippies, I dont get the concept here.<br />
I am sorry,but  our counsel and mayor are a major losers, who kiss but to certain groups and political correctness.  It seems they do not treat all citizens equally, especially Christians.  We have so much crime in this city.  Soon it will scare visitors away from even going to our Greenfield village.  Doing nothing as far as city hall, and waiting, and actually putting a little thought into the process.  Here we have libararies closing, second had stores opening, closing pools, dumpy buildings, yet the most important thing is to buy a building.  And even that building will need renovations.   the only recourse we have is to get out and vote!  </p>
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		<title>By: tdogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this first surfaced a few months ago, I&#039;ve learned a little about Artspace.  Its primary funders are the Kresge and Ford Foundations, and they appear to have a very solid record.  So the sale just might be a win-win if . . . the administration makes an effort to leverage the capabilities of the new campus to upgrade technology, communication, core competence in delivery of services - and then reduce body count by 25%.  

Because the administration refuses to stop overpaying itself, our (the citizens) only recourse is to demand that concession from them (the entitled)  - reduce staffing across the board to drastically cut costs.

If the Mayor cannot justify the acquisition with proven financial benefits - really big payroll reductions - forget about it.

By the way, whoever suggested moving this down to Burton Katzmannville had a real good alternative - maybe this mess should be moved into the old Hallmark, Tenny Roadhouse, the Phat Burger Building and Mesa Computers and be done with it.  Nah, that&#039;s all reserved for our preferred developer&#039;s expertise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this first surfaced a few months ago, I&#8217;ve learned a little about Artspace.  Its primary funders are the Kresge and Ford Foundations, and they appear to have a very solid record.  So the sale just might be a win-win if . . . the administration makes an effort to leverage the capabilities of the new campus to upgrade technology, communication, core competence in delivery of services &#8211; and then reduce body count by 25%.  </p>
<p>Because the administration refuses to stop overpaying itself, our (the citizens) only recourse is to demand that concession from them (the entitled)  &#8211; reduce staffing across the board to drastically cut costs.</p>
<p>If the Mayor cannot justify the acquisition with proven financial benefits &#8211; really big payroll reductions &#8211; forget about it.</p>
<p>By the way, whoever suggested moving this down to Burton Katzmannville had a real good alternative &#8211; maybe this mess should be moved into the old Hallmark, Tenny Roadhouse, the Phat Burger Building and Mesa Computers and be done with it.  Nah, that&#8217;s all reserved for our preferred developer&#8217;s expertise.</p>
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		<title>By: Wanting Better for Dearborn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wanting Better for Dearborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 02:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Reality,
Yes, we pay less in taxes because our property is worth a LOT less.  That is NOT something to brag about.  My house is worth half the money it use to be!

We are also getting a LOT less in City services like less libraries, less pools, less City services and on and on and on. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Reality,<br />
Yes, we pay less in taxes because our property is worth a LOT less.  That is NOT something to brag about.  My house is worth half the money it use to be!</p>
<p>We are also getting a LOT less in City services like less libraries, less pools, less City services and on and on and on. </p>
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		<title>By: Howard Roark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Roark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 02:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;m sure the current City Hall is not the most efficient of buildings, I don&#039;t think the problem is with condition of the current City Hall.  It&#039;s an iconic building in Dearborn, a decent structure, centrally located, and, yes, it probably needs a healty amount of investment.  Nor is the problem with the the proposed City Hall building.  It&#039;s an anonymous design (to be generous), probably in good condition, and easily accessible.  

No, I think the core concern that we all have is with the City&#039;s leadership.  Over the past two decades, the City - regardless of who occupies the Mayor&#039;s Office or who is on the Council - cannot navigate their way through a real estate development deal.

We have not forgotten the ten year span when the only thing on the Superblock was a Christmas tree during the holidays.  We drive by the Burton-Katzman block which hasn&#039;t had an upper floor tenant since it was opened (and shall we touch on the vacant parcel between the two useless parking decks?).  Oh, and let&#039;s not forget the beautiful (and I truly mean that) but woefully underused community center that came in obscenely over budget.  Meanwhile, the City&#039;s leadership continues to follow merrily along after developers who promise the sun, the moon, and the stars but can never deliver (Roark&#039;s definition of a Developer: anyone who will build anything, anywhere, at any time...using someone else&#039;s money).

So now the City says &quot;trust us, we know what we&#039;re doing&quot;.  And they are really going to top themselves this time.  They have managed to find a deal that promises to ream the residents of Dearborn twice - once on the purchase and renovation of the new building, and once on the sale of the old building.

First, the new digs: we all know that the ADP building is not in &quot;move-in&quot; condition, right?  So what&#039;s the over/under for how much they spend on the building to &quot;bring it up to standard&quot;?  Figure that building is, say, 80,000 square feet, and they spend $40 per square foot to renovate.  That&#039;s $3,200,000 right there - as much as the purchase price!  Suddenly that $5.7 to renovate the current City Hall is looking pretty good.

And the $525,000 that is &quot;set aside&quot; - it will probably get new carpeting, new ceilings, and perhaps HVAC improvements but won&#039;t begin to address reconfiguring walls, build a new council chambers, nor upgrade the electrical and technology in the building. And the City - or more specifically, Dearborn Residents - are going to have to pony up to pay the difference for this new boondoggle.  (Yeah, I had the same thought as well...but I don&#039;t think Council will want to have all those parking meters right behind their posh new crib.)

Secondly, there is the sale of the old building.  Now I&#039;m not a slick politician, but what is it about the combination of &quot;non-profit developer&quot; (there&#039;s that &quot;D&quot; word again) and &quot;low-income artists&quot; that leads me to think that the City is pretty much giving away our City Hall?  We probably ought not to count on using the proceeds from the sale of the old place to fund the improvements at the new place.

Screwed twice on one deal.

What I can&#039;t figure out is who is behind this initiative.  I suspect that some interest is working very effectively behind the scenes, whispering to City Leadership about the wonderful benefits of this move.  The old line goes something like &quot;follow the money&quot;.  Well, I suppose we just have to watch for who makes a bundle off of this move to find who&#039;s behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m sure the current City Hall is not the most efficient of buildings, I don&#8217;t think the problem is with condition of the current City Hall.  It&#8217;s an iconic building in Dearborn, a decent structure, centrally located, and, yes, it probably needs a healty amount of investment.  Nor is the problem with the the proposed City Hall building.  It&#8217;s an anonymous design (to be generous), probably in good condition, and easily accessible.  </p>
<p>No, I think the core concern that we all have is with the City&#8217;s leadership.  Over the past two decades, the City &#8211; regardless of who occupies the Mayor&#8217;s Office or who is on the Council &#8211; cannot navigate their way through a real estate development deal.</p>
<p>We have not forgotten the ten year span when the only thing on the Superblock was a Christmas tree during the holidays.  We drive by the Burton-Katzman block which hasn&#8217;t had an upper floor tenant since it was opened (and shall we touch on the vacant parcel between the two useless parking decks?).  Oh, and let&#8217;s not forget the beautiful (and I truly mean that) but woefully underused community center that came in obscenely over budget.  Meanwhile, the City&#8217;s leadership continues to follow merrily along after developers who promise the sun, the moon, and the stars but can never deliver (Roark&#8217;s definition of a Developer: anyone who will build anything, anywhere, at any time&#8230;using someone else&#8217;s money).</p>
<p>So now the City says &#8220;trust us, we know what we&#8217;re doing&#8221;.  And they are really going to top themselves this time.  They have managed to find a deal that promises to ream the residents of Dearborn twice &#8211; once on the purchase and renovation of the new building, and once on the sale of the old building.</p>
<p>First, the new digs: we all know that the ADP building is not in &#8220;move-in&#8221; condition, right?  So what&#8217;s the over/under for how much they spend on the building to &#8220;bring it up to standard&#8221;?  Figure that building is, say, 80,000 square feet, and they spend $40 per square foot to renovate.  That&#8217;s $3,200,000 right there &#8211; as much as the purchase price!  Suddenly that $5.7 to renovate the current City Hall is looking pretty good.</p>
<p>And the $525,000 that is &#8220;set aside&#8221; &#8211; it will probably get new carpeting, new ceilings, and perhaps HVAC improvements but won&#8217;t begin to address reconfiguring walls, build a new council chambers, nor upgrade the electrical and technology in the building. And the City &#8211; or more specifically, Dearborn Residents &#8211; are going to have to pony up to pay the difference for this new boondoggle.  (Yeah, I had the same thought as well&#8230;but I don&#8217;t think Council will want to have all those parking meters right behind their posh new crib.)</p>
<p>Secondly, there is the sale of the old building.  Now I&#8217;m not a slick politician, but what is it about the combination of &#8220;non-profit developer&#8221; (there&#8217;s that &#8220;D&#8221; word again) and &#8220;low-income artists&#8221; that leads me to think that the City is pretty much giving away our City Hall?  We probably ought not to count on using the proceeds from the sale of the old place to fund the improvements at the new place.</p>
<p>Screwed twice on one deal.</p>
<p>What I can&#8217;t figure out is who is behind this initiative.  I suspect that some interest is working very effectively behind the scenes, whispering to City Leadership about the wonderful benefits of this move.  The old line goes something like &#8220;follow the money&#8221;.  Well, I suppose we just have to watch for who makes a bundle off of this move to find who&#8217;s behind it.</p>
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		<title>By: Questions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Questions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The city needs to be more transparent with the purchase of the ADP building.  The information that the city has provided so far is insufficient for anyone to determine if this is a worthy endeavor or not.   The city’s poor track record with real estate deals should make every resident demand complete disclosure.

There are two empty parking decks in West Dearborn that are testament to the adage “if it sounds to good to be true it probably is”.  That great deal is costing us at least $600k per year for debt service, utilities, maintenance, staffing and legal fees. 

What is the total project cost for the replacement of city hall?  The city website makes no mention of the new building purchase cost or expected ancillary costs.   What is provided is a marketing flyer.  The local paper says it‘s going to cost $3.7M.   Add in moving costs, telephone setup, electrical reworking and purchase of modular furniture and the total project costs can and will be significantly higher.   Has the city prepared a total project estimate to share with residents?

There is no mention of the anticipated funds from the sale of the old city hall to artspace.   Was a formal appraisal done to determine the marketable value of the building or the land?   (I’m thinking of the Montgomery Ward site where the city paid twice the value of the property).   I’d expect at least a mention on the website that the funds for the purchase of the new city hall are expected to be largely offset by the funds from the sale of the old city hall.  Does the lack of such information indicate that the city is “gifting” the site to artspace?  

Does the city have a contingency plan if artspace is unable to acquire federal low income housing credits in a timely manner?   If not, we can add the city hall to our inventory of empty facilities.  What percent of proposed artspace projects failed to move forward because of delays or inability to acquire federal funds?  What percent of artspace projects failed after construction and opening? 

I am a little suspect on the $23.50 per sq ft cost in operating costs for the old city hall.  There’s not enough information provided to determine if the $7.50 number for the new building is truly comparable.

Who is the broker handling the transactions?  This should be made public record.    

Is artspace a worthy project?  Maybe.  However, I think the city is chasing a potential buyer in haste and we’re going to be paying the cost. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The city needs to be more transparent with the purchase of the ADP building.  The information that the city has provided so far is insufficient for anyone to determine if this is a worthy endeavor or not.   The city’s poor track record with real estate deals should make every resident demand complete disclosure.</p>
<p>There are two empty parking decks in West Dearborn that are testament to the adage “if it sounds to good to be true it probably is”.  That great deal is costing us at least $600k per year for debt service, utilities, maintenance, staffing and legal fees. </p>
<p>What is the total project cost for the replacement of city hall?  The city website makes no mention of the new building purchase cost or expected ancillary costs.   What is provided is a marketing flyer.  The local paper says it‘s going to cost $3.7M.   Add in moving costs, telephone setup, electrical reworking and purchase of modular furniture and the total project costs can and will be significantly higher.   Has the city prepared a total project estimate to share with residents?</p>
<p>There is no mention of the anticipated funds from the sale of the old city hall to artspace.   Was a formal appraisal done to determine the marketable value of the building or the land?   (I’m thinking of the Montgomery Ward site where the city paid twice the value of the property).   I’d expect at least a mention on the website that the funds for the purchase of the new city hall are expected to be largely offset by the funds from the sale of the old city hall.  Does the lack of such information indicate that the city is “gifting” the site to artspace?  </p>
<p>Does the city have a contingency plan if artspace is unable to acquire federal low income housing credits in a timely manner?   If not, we can add the city hall to our inventory of empty facilities.  What percent of proposed artspace projects failed to move forward because of delays or inability to acquire federal funds?  What percent of artspace projects failed after construction and opening? </p>
<p>I am a little suspect on the $23.50 per sq ft cost in operating costs for the old city hall.  There’s not enough information provided to determine if the $7.50 number for the new building is truly comparable.</p>
<p>Who is the broker handling the transactions?  This should be made public record.    </p>
<p>Is artspace a worthy project?  Maybe.  However, I think the city is chasing a potential buyer in haste and we’re going to be paying the cost. </p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Reality</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me shed some reality on some some of the false comments here.  The current City Hall is very unefficient to heat and cool beside needing a tremendous amount of repairs.  Artspace is going to gut the place for living and working quarters anyway, so it makes sense to them.  Hopefully it will be a break-even scenario for the City at worst.
The general employees (non-police and fire) have not had raises in years and now pay 20% of their medical while being asked to do much more with less.
Even with the (temporary) millage increases, Dearborn residents pay less taxes than a few years ago.
No one ever brings up the vote to have the minimum staffing for public safety repealed.  Public Safety is nearly 2/3 of the budget.  There are plenty of cops to sit at corners to ticket residents rolling through stop signs.  Has this helped reduce crime since it was adopted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me shed some reality on some some of the false comments here.  The current City Hall is very unefficient to heat and cool beside needing a tremendous amount of repairs.  Artspace is going to gut the place for living and working quarters anyway, so it makes sense to them.  Hopefully it will be a break-even scenario for the City at worst.<br />
The general employees (non-police and fire) have not had raises in years and now pay 20% of their medical while being asked to do much more with less.<br />
Even with the (temporary) millage increases, Dearborn residents pay less taxes than a few years ago.<br />
No one ever brings up the vote to have the minimum staffing for public safety repealed.  Public Safety is nearly 2/3 of the budget.  There are plenty of cops to sit at corners to ticket residents rolling through stop signs.  Has this helped reduce crime since it was adopted?</p>
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